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[wellinghall]

From a kitchen company advert in a local free rag.

"Spend more than £2,500 on kitchen units and get a free all-inclusive trip to Bali*"
"*(flights not included)."

And -

"Both modern and contemporary designs."

Comments

[miss-next.livejournal.com]

The standard of advertising in free rags definitely leaves something to be desired. I recall being very amused by one particular job advertisement a few years ago. To understand this, you have to know that in Sheffield "while" is regularly used for "until" (in fact, I'm told that this is the case over quite a lot of Yorkshire).

So you can imagine some poor blighter whose job is to draft the advertisement, scribbling away with furrowed brow. The first thing they write is: "Hours 8.30 while 5."

Then they have second thoughts. That doesn't look right, they think. It's got to go in the paper, so it ought to sound posh.

As a result, they altered it, and hence the final version of the text:

"Hours 8.30 whilst 5."

Only in a free rag... :-D

[wellinghall.livejournal.com]

I like it ;-)

My dad uses "while" - he was born near Doncaster.

[lil-shepherd.livejournal.com]

Not when I lived in Sheffield (for thirty years...)

[miss-next.livejournal.com]

Interesting - did you live at the Fulwood/Ranmoor/Beauchief end of the city?

[wellinghall.livejournal.com]

Where's lalwendaboggart when you need an opinion on Sheffield dialect?

[lil-shepherd.livejournal.com]

I was born in the slums - Attercliffe - all of 58 years ago. From age seven I lived in Greenhill. I went to school at Abbeydale Girls Grammar, as it was then.

[alitalf.livejournal.com]

Do you ever notice expatriate Yorkshire people among us effete southerners by word order, from time to time? I can't remember the details (its my age) but in a pub in London a while back there was someone speaking in the same accent as everyone else around, but I noticed that two words were in Yorkshire order not, as in teh south, in the opposite order.
- "Do you originally come from Yorkshire?"
- "Yes, how did you know?"

I still find myself using "while" instead of "until" on odd occasions, normally when trying to think of too many things at once.

Though born in London, and raised near Brum, I spent some of the happiest times when young on long visits to relatives in Sheffield - but sadly they are no longer extant, not even the cousin who was about my age:-(

[miss-next.livejournal.com]

Not really, I'm afraid. I'm not a native of Sheffield, though I've lived here for more than half my life; I was born in Kendal, but my mother is from Sussex, and so my accent is more like hers than anything northern. Well, that is to say, people here in the north think I sound southern, and Mole thinks I sound northern, but then Mole's got a remarkably sensitive ear due to being a musician.

My ear's not as consistent, although I do tend to pick out Celts even if they don't have Celtic accents...

[lil-shepherd.livejournal.com]

Oh, yes. The you've still got a Yorkshire accent/you've gone all posh syndrome. I know it well.

(Started at school. I well remember a teacher telling a sixth former who was about the play a major part which she was supposed to be doing in a Yorkshire accent: "For heaven's sake, go into the corridors and listen to the first years.")

[wellinghall.livejournal.com]

Oh aye.

[miss-t-ide.livejournal.com]

Modern and contemporary, eh? Spoilt for choice!

[wellinghall.livejournal.com]

Yep. I'd have gone right down there, but I didn't think I'd be able to cope with the range on offer ;-)

[bens_dad]

Both modern and contemporary designs.

Is that modern and post-modern, or modern and post-post-modern ?

[wellinghall.livejournal.com]

LOL

[tree_and_leaf]

*tries to imagine pomo furniture*

*Fails*

[brightlywoven.livejournal.com]

*tries to sit on pomo furniture*

*fails*

Structure is just a concept

[lil-shepherd.livejournal.com]

I'm still trying to work out how you can have an all-inclusive trip to Bali which does not include the trip....

[estiel.livejournal.com]

You use the same faculties you used to distinguish modern from contemporary, of course.

[muuranker.livejournal.com]

I read 'modern and contemporary' and understood the difference ... modern means 'black granite work top, natural wood cabinets on little legs, and wicker and wine as accessories - children may, the advert hints, be included in the purchase price; it's kind of up-to-date looking, but you mum wouldn't say it was _too_ modern'. Contemporary means stainless-steel worktop, with shiny red cabinets on little legs, and glass accessories; there are hints that glamourous looking friends with envious expressions may be included in the purchace price; it's very up-to-date looking, and will date horribly. But you will need to replace it soon, as it will scratch, and thus look out of date, _and_ old, shortly after it is installed.

I am, however, still confused by reading in three different magazines today that a 'versatile bikini' is this summer's must-have accessory. Looking at the pictures does not suggest that they can be used as slings (the kind for broken arms or the kind for stones), truce-flags in wide games, or to clean ice-cream of small children. Nor are they the kind that can have halter-necks, spedo-backs, or be strapless (thus allowing a more even tanning experience). So how in the heck are they _versatile_?

[wellinghall.livejournal.com]

What are they, then? The kind that can be worn with a shirt / sarong, or can't? As opposed, presumably, to the other sort?

[philmophlegm.livejournal.com]

Might not 'contemporary' mean that "when these kitchens were designed, they were modern, but that was a few years ago now"?
This would be different from 'modern', which means "designed recently to be modern" and 'traditional' which would mean "looks like an idealised version of a country cottage kitchen, only with an induction hob and a double oven instead of a cast iron kettle hanging above a wood fire".

So a brand new kitchen with lots of bakelite and formica (if you can get such a thing) would be 'contemporary', but not 'modern'.

[wellinghall.livejournal.com]

a brand new kitchen with lots of bakelite and formica

"retro"?

[philmophlegm.livejournal.com]

No, I think "retro" should be "designed recently to look like it was designed a few decades ago".

"Contemporary" would look very similar, but would be a genuinely old design.